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David Oberman
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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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"Michael" <michaelwynn2@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Patrick Gowers who wrote the theme
to the Sherlock Holmes series with Jeremy Brett. That theme with the horses
riding in is just the standard Victorian Sherlock Holmes sound.
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When I think of Sherlock Holmes music, I think of Hubert Parry or some
such.
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Michael
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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Another great man I have not noticed David Raksin.
I clearly see that I am a bit ignorant of the field, but I like to hear you
opinions anyway. But John Williams (5 Oscars, nominated 45 times!),
Goldsmith (1 oscar, nominated 18 times) and Conti(a tv man really) have all
won Academy awards. Morricone has contributed to more than 500 productions.
(I guess i just fell in love with his theme from "the Mission". His spagetti
western themes are great, but the score to the original Kurosawa movies was
also good) They are all quite good.
I also wonder who wrote the music some of those great old westerns. That
music has really stuck in my mind also, as something that has lasted from
those films. Even if they are all very similar.
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Michael wrote:
1. John Williams (Star Wars and Indian Jones, left me singing in the
shower)
2. Ennio Morricone (Good the bad and the ugly, Themes from Romeo and
Juliet and The Mission)
3. Jerry Godsmith (Man From Uncle and Star Trek Voyager)
One I do not like that much is Vangelis, who sounds a bit "electronic"
to me.
These guys have just lifted the movies they contributed to a new level.
They should be given more awards and money if possible.
mike
Where is Dimitri Tiomkin and where is Erich Korngold? What are these
guys - Chopped liver?
Marv
Yeah....and where's David Raksin? Huh?
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Jim Beaver
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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"Michael" <michaelwynn2@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 1. John Williams (Star Wars and Indian Jones, left me singing in the
shower)
2. Ennio Morricone (Good the bad and the ugly, Themes from Romeo and
Juliet and The Mission)
3. Jerry Godsmith (Man From Uncle and Star Trek Voyager)
One I do not like that much is Vangelis, who sounds a bit "electronic" to
me.
These guys have just lifted the movies they contributed to a new level.
They should be given more awards and money if possible.
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I'm afraid "Jerry Godsmith" (a great slip, since I consider him a music god)
can't make much use of either awards or money, as he's dead, dead, deadsky.
Much to my chagrin. I've mentioned (probably ad nauseam) that one of my
proudest achievements is that Goldsmith actually wrote a motif for one of my
characters (in BAD GIRLS).
Williams I can just barely stand, most of the time. I like his score to THE
COWBOYS very much, and JAWS. But STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, etc., while effective
in the title marches, overall lack the testicular wherewithal I'd have
expected (and hoped for) in such films. "Can You Read My Mind?" Really?
For freaking Superman? (And I'm not talking about the lyric.)
Nino Rota's score for ROMEO AND JULIET is lovely, even if Morricone didn't
write it. It's a lot lovelier than what Morricone would have written, I'm
sure. I LOVE Morricone's themes for some of the Eastwood Westerns, but he
also writes a lot of music that just cloys or irritates. One reason I don't
care much for ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST is that endless freaking
harmonica thing with Bronson. Morricone writes music that often tugs at the
heartstrings far more than the material on screen seems to justify. The
prison camp sequence of THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY, for example, seems
to require something much grimmer than just Morricone's "oh, those poor,
poor little guys" treacle. But those main themes are great. A real mixed
bag, Morricone, at least for me.
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Jim Beaver
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <g5khj5$2m4$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Michael
michaelwynn2@gmail.com> wrote:
: So I forgot an "a" in Indiana Jones. So what. Can any of you honestly
say
: that you don't remember the soundtracks I mentioned? Even if you dislike
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: films, these sounds are stuck in our minds forever. And yes, I like
talking
: about films. I will not appologise for that, I think.
You *should* be apologizing for top posting, and for attributing to
Ennio Morricone a score that was actually written by Nino Rota. I don't
think that any serious musician would put John Williams in the top three
film composers if that list fails to include (as one example) Bernard
Herrmann.
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Oh, that's right, this was about the "3 best composer". Goldsmith makes the
list for me, since he's just an astonishing favorite of mine. But Williams?
Morricone? Feh.
Korngold. Waxman. Steiner. Herrmann. Alfred Newman. The other two are
two of them. And if you replaced Goldsmith with one of them, I wouldn't
argue much.
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Paul B. Thompson
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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"Jim Beaver" <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Oh, that's right, this was about the "3 best composer". Goldsmith makes
the list for me, since he's just an astonishing favorite of mine. But
Williams? Morricone? Feh.
Korngold. Waxman. Steiner. Herrmann. Alfred Newman. The other two are
two of them. And if you replaced Goldsmith with one of them, I wouldn't
argue much.
Jim Beaver
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Herrmann and Steiner for me too, plus I often like John Barry and Lalo
Schifrin, though their range is narrower.
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Kingo Gondo
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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In article <g5khj5$2m4$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Michael
michaelwynn2@gmail.com> wrote:
: So I forgot an "a" in Indiana Jones. So what. Can any of you honestly
say
: that you don't remember the soundtracks I mentioned? Even if you
dislike the
: films, these sounds are stuck in our minds forever. And yes, I like
talking
: about films. I will not appologise for that, I think.
You *should* be apologizing for top posting, and for attributing to
Ennio Morricone a score that was actually written by Nino Rota. I don't
think that any serious musician would put John Williams in the top three
film composers if that list fails to include (as one example) Bernard
Herrmann.
Oh, that's right, this was about the "3 best composer". Goldsmith makes
the list for me, since he's just an astonishing favorite of mine. But
Williams? Morricone? Feh.
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If you are throwing Morricone under the bus, thems fighting words. Once Upon
A Time In America has a miraculous score, almost literally--the film could
not possibly work without it, and only it.
I'll go with Herrmann and Morricone and a wild card. |
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Anim8rFSK
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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In article <77pfk.12578$LG4.7422@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Jim Beaver" <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote:
| Quote: | Williams I can just barely stand, most of the time. I like his score to THE
COWBOYS very much, and JAWS. But STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, etc., while effective
in the title marches, overall lack the testicular wherewithal I'd have
expected (and hoped for) in such films. "Can You Read My Mind?" Really?
For freaking Superman? (And I'm not talking about the lyric.)
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Really? I think it works just fine (without lyric) for an aerial love
ballet. I think it plays just fine in the ending credits suite too. I
even like the Maureen McGovern vocal version. Now, the Margot Kidder
spoken version, yeah, that's got problems.
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Magnus, Robot Fighter
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:25:19 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net>
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| Quote: | In article <77pfk.12578$LG4.7422@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Jim Beaver" <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote:
Williams I can just barely stand, most of the time. I like his score to THE
COWBOYS very much, and JAWS. But STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, etc., while effective
in the title marches, overall lack the testicular wherewithal I'd have
expected (and hoped for) in such films. "Can You Read My Mind?" Really?
For freaking Superman? (And I'm not talking about the lyric.)
Really? I think it works just fine (without lyric) for an aerial love
ballet. I think it plays just fine in the ending credits suite too. I
even like the Maureen McGovern vocal version. Now, the Margot Kidder
spoken version, yeah, that's got problems.
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And I think STAR WARS is amazing..in fact it somehow manages to
overwhelm the film with so many motifs and character theme songs. It's
like "Look look!! Look what's happening now! ooooo now look over
here!!"
It's fortuitous that the Vader march isn't in it.
And c'mon, my elementary school graduated to "The Throne Room" medal
presentation theme. How cool is that? |
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Anim8rFSK
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In article <o4is74l78dghdrfof9cdfsa6p17vfhpmu6@4ax.com>,
"Magnus, Robot Fighter" <Me@Key.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:25:19 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net
wrote:
In article <77pfk.12578$LG4.7422@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"Jim Beaver" <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote:
Williams I can just barely stand, most of the time. I like his score to
THE
COWBOYS very much, and JAWS. But STAR WARS, SUPERMAN, etc., while
effective
in the title marches, overall lack the testicular wherewithal I'd have
expected (and hoped for) in such films. "Can You Read My Mind?" Really?
For freaking Superman? (And I'm not talking about the lyric.)
Really? I think it works just fine (without lyric) for an aerial love
ballet. I think it plays just fine in the ending credits suite too. I
even like the Maureen McGovern vocal version. Now, the Margot Kidder
spoken version, yeah, that's got problems.
And I think STAR WARS is amazing..in fact it somehow manages to
overwhelm the film with so many motifs and character theme songs. It's
like "Look look!! Look what's happening now! ooooo now look over
here!!"
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I've heard people complain about Williams scores telling what to feel
and where to look, but man, in a film like Star Wars or Superman the
Movie? It's perfect.
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It's fortuitous that the Vader march isn't in it.
And c'mon, my elementary school graduated to "The Throne Room" medal
presentation theme. How cool is that?
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That is actually pretty cool.
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David Oberman
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FoggyTown <foggytown@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | At the opposite end would be Steiner and Hefti.
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My favorite Steiner is the "I'm not afraid" (?) scene music from NOW,
VOYAGER.
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Richard Schultz
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In article <qbpfk.12579$LG4.9814@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>, Jim Beaver <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote:
: Korngold. Waxman. Steiner. Herrmann. Alfred Newman. The other two are
: two of them. And if you replaced Goldsmith with one of them, I wouldn't
: argue much.
When I mentioned Herrmann as one example, I thought of Korngold, but I'm
not sure if it's really fair to call him a "movie composer" in the sense
of the others. Nino Rota and Franz Waxman wrote "serious" music, but how
many people know that? On the other hand, Korngold already had a reputation
as a "serious" composer (e.g. his opera _Die Tote Stadt_), and his having
become a movie composer seems to have been more or less random.
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Richard Schultz
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In article <77pfk.12578$LG4.7422@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>, Jim Beaver <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote:
: Nino Rota's score for ROMEO AND JULIET is lovely, even if Morricone didn't
: write it.
Actually, his "score" for R&J consists basically of one theme played over
and over and over. Admittedly, it's a good enough theme that it doesn't
overstay its welcome. And I have sometimes wondered how much I would consider
it worth to once in my life compose at least one theme that good.
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
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Richard Schultz
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In article <ANIM8Rfsk-41DCE5.15175116072008@news.west.cox.net>, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
: I've heard people complain about Williams scores telling what to feel
: and where to look, but man, in a film like Star Wars or Superman the
: Movie? It's perfect.
The main complaint against those Williams scores is that Bruckner and
Wagner got there first, and did it much, much, more effectively. (I suppose
one could damn Williams with faint praise by pointing out that at least his
pastiche is significantly more bearable than, say, Horner's.)
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Richard Schultz wrote:
| Quote: | In article <qbpfk.12579$LG4.9814@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com>, Jim Beaver <jumblejim@prodigy.spam> wrote:
: Korngold. Waxman. Steiner. Herrmann. Alfred Newman. The other two are
: two of them. And if you replaced Goldsmith with one of them, I wouldn't
: argue much.
When I mentioned Herrmann as one example, I thought of Korngold, but I'm
not sure if it's really fair to call him a "movie composer" in the sense
of the others. Nino Rota and Franz Waxman wrote "serious" music, but how
many people know that? On the other hand, Korngold already had a reputation
as a "serious" composer (e.g. his opera _Die Tote Stadt_), and his having
become a movie composer seems to have been more or less random.
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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Not quite "random" (From Wiki): In 1938, Korngold was conducting opera
in Austria when he was asked by Warner Bros. to come back to Hollywood
and compose a score for their new (and very expensive) film The
Adventures of Robin Hood starring Errol Flynn. He agreed and returned by
ship. Shortly after he arrived in California, the Anschluss took place
and the condition of Jews in Austria became very perilous. Korngold
later would say the film score of The Adventures of Robin Hood saved his
life. (See the Robin Hood Collectors Edition on DVD for details.) He won
the Academy Award for Best Original Score for the film. Among other
things, it features some quotation of the third movement theme in
Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. Korngold was later nominated for The Private
Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (1939) and The Sea Hawk (1940).
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: 3 best movie composer of all time |
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I love the theme from "The Sea Hawk", and the film does very little for me,
but
I suffer it to hear the music by Korngold.
In the same way, I love the theme music from "Shaft"(1971), written and
performed by
Isaac Hayes, which never fails to make me laugh.
Most film music is written to supplement themes in that film, and only
rarely is fit for broadcast
as a seperate entity.
Brenard Herrmann has already been mentioned. The accompanying music for the
last scene in
"Psycho" has been commented upon, as a great musical leap forward, giving
itself totally to
enhance the film and it's mood, while being very modern, very discordant,
and probably
unlistenable seperately.
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