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Richard Schultz
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate (ingmar Bergman) |
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In article <94e08908-590a-45b0-999b-b55a3118b045@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Okierazorbacker <okierazorbacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
: On Jul 17, 4:25?am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> In article <2a7b70ed-c67e-4a08-87b3-91babe3eb...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Okierazorbacker <okierazorbac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> : On Jul 17, 1:22?am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> :> Let me guess: ?when someone starts talking about "Dylan," you guys think
:> :> he means Dylan Thomas. ?Whoever *he* was.
:> : Heh. ?He mentioned Dylan Thomas in a thread about Ingmar Bergman.
:> : Someone needs to cheer you up, pal. ?;-}
:> No, I mentioned Paul Simon in a thread about Ingmar Bergman.
:> "The man ain't got no culture."
: *sigh* Richard, directly above this you can see where you typed "he
: means Dylan Thomas." Therefore you MENTIONED him. You're once again
: trying too hard to be clever, but hey, at least you're interesting. :-
You'll have to forgive me -- I've been Rolling Stoned and Beatled 'til
I'm blind.
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"I've lost my harmonica, Albert." |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <87b36eca-6d04-4caf-9a1e-4271709062e6@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Okierazorbacker <okierazorbacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
: And I'm not awed by Paris like some seem to be; I can only think of it
: as one of the most hateful, viciously snobbish places on Earth.
Have you ever actually been to Paris? I am no Francophile, and one of
the things about _Is Paris Burning?_ (the book) that I found most annoying
was their referring to Paris as "the most beautiful city in the world" (which
it is not) on every third page, but I've been there twice, and I did not
find the Parisians with whom I came in contact particularly hateful or
viciously snobbish.
But now I'm beginning to wonder -- were you the guy in Florence whom I saw
explaining to a clerk in a shoe store that the sign in the window that said
"Super Flessible" was misspelled?
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <Z-2dnfosPchy7OLVnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d@posted.isomediainc>, Frank R.A.J. Maloney <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:
: Richard Schultz wrote:
:> In article <0u-dncEGsc9i7OPV4p2dnAA@rcn.net>, Bill Anderson <billanderson601@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> : Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
:> : racism and its affects on two sets of lovers
:> : Seriously, don't give this a second thought, Frank. It's completely,
:> : solely, unquestionably the fault of Richard Schultz and the terrible
:> : example he has set.
:> At least I'll go down in history for having accomplished *something*.
: It took me overnight to understand the jab at you but finally it dawned
: on me about 3 this morning that it's a reference to your espousal of the
: proper use of the apostrophe, for which I say good for you.
I think he was making fun of our belief in proper use of English but that
within a day of each other, we made the same typographical error.
: To be fair, you've never given me any static over my various editing
: sins, even when I leave a crucial "not" out of a sentence.
That's because your command of the language is at a high enough level that
it's obvious that when you make a typographical error, it's because you (like
the rest of us) are human and fallible, not because you're illiterate and
don't know any better.
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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I'm sorry if I hurt you when I fell asleep last night,
But I was just exhausted from the act of being polite. |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <L_2dnWHYl98B7eLVnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@posted.isomediainc>, Frank R.A.J. Maloney <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:
: However, I've never seen _Unfaithfully Yours_ so I'll add it to my
: Amazon wishlist.
One thing that I liked about _Unfaithfully Yours_ is that Rex Harrison did
a far better job of conducting (he actually followed the beat with gestures
that were more or less correct) than just about any other actor I can
think of.
After praising your command of the language in a previous post, I regret
that I have to remind you of what Strunk & White have to say about the
proper use of the word "however": it can only begin a sentence when it's
being used in the sense of "In whatever manner."
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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For a thousand miles along the river, when the ice begins to close,
Harness jades and girdle jaspers tinkle at the jagged edge.
The drift of life's no different from the water under the ice
Hurrying Eastward day and night while no one notices. |
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The Mighty Favog
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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On Jul 17, 12:48 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <Z-2dnfosPchy7OLVnZ2dnUVZ_jWdn...@posted.isomediainc>, Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:: Richard Schultz wrote:
:> In article <0u-dncEGsc9i7OPV4p2d...@rcn.net>, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> : Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote:
:> : racism and its affects on two sets of lovers
:> : Seriously, don't give this a second thought, Frank. It's completely,
:> : solely, unquestionably the fault of Richard Schultz and the terrible
:> : example he has set.
:> At least I'll go down in history for having accomplished *something*.
: It took me overnight to understand the jab at you but finally it dawned
: on me about 3 this morning that it's a reference to your espousal of the
: proper use of the apostrophe, for which I say good for you.
I think he was making fun of our belief in proper use of English but that
within a day of each other, we made the same typographical error.
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When Richard does it, it's a typo. When I do it -- admittedly much
more often -- it's a brain fart. I'd needled him in a different
thread for typing "affect" when he meant "effect." In this thread I
was just twisting the knife a little. Sorry for the confusion. It's
out of my system now and I feel much better.
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Bill Anderson
I am the Mighty Favog |
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Okierazorbacker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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On Jul 17, 11:45 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
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Have you ever actually been to Paris? I am no Francophile, and one of
the things about _Is Paris Burning?_ (the book) that I found most annoying
was their referring to Paris as "the most beautiful city in the world" (which
it is not) on every third page, but I've been there twice, and I did not
find the Parisians with whom I came in contact particularly hateful or
viciously snobbish.
But now I'm beginning to wonder -- were you the guy in Florence whom I saw
explaining to a clerk in a shoe store that the sign in the window that said
"Super Flessible" was misspelled?
I have no desire to go to Paris, or most places in Europe. If I did |
go there, I'd start with Italy, primarily because of the food. Not
that I hate French food, just don't prefer it. Actually I'd start off
the continent, in Scotland, with a round of golf at St. Andrews. My
dislike of the French comes second-hand but is comprehensive; art,
politics, experience of friends, etc.
I'm not fond of cities in general. Our recent vacation took in four
national parks (Yellowstone, Tetons, Yosemite, Grand Canyon) and three
rounds of golf (Nevada, Pebble Beach, New Mexico---have played in 27
of our 50 states now, hope to eventually get to all 50). I'd rather
enjoy the great outdoors than look at some 300-year-old buildings,
although certain of those would be of interest. I intend for example
to always scrupulously avoid NYC, LA, and Vegas. We do look forward
someday to visiting DC, however, and a return trip to Montreal would
be nice someday. |
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Kingo Gondo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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"Voltronicus" <fwdixon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 10:24 am, "Kingo Gondo" <kingo_nospam_go...@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | Robert Ryan--how bad can it be?
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Pretty bad.
Ryan was a ham of the first order.
Reply:
To paraphrase Bennie in BMtHoAG, you are definitely on my shit list. |
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Kingo Gondo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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"Richard Schultz" <schultr@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article
db3ab093-0e05-4a85-bce1-8c86dc03c321@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Tom
Sutpen <tomsutpen@gmail.com> wrote:
: Something that can be said of virtually all Horror films now. I don't
: get what happened to that genre.
Roger Ebert (yeah, yeah, I know that mentioning his name will lose me lots
of points around here) pointed out a major difference between _Psycho_ and
_Friday the 13th_: in the former, the murders were filmed from the point
of view of the victim (and up to the point of the first one, the character
who gets it is basically the only character with whom we have any
identification at all up to that point), while in the latter, the murders
were filmed from the point of view of the murderer. So instead of the
horror of the victim, we are expected to feel the sick joy of the killer.
That, btw, is one of the reasons why I don't like _Frenzy_ all that much.
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We could go back to our Peeping Tom discussion from here. |
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Kingo Gondo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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"Tom Sutpen" <tomsutpen@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 16, 2:01 pm, "Matt Barry" <bar...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I haven't since any of the "torture porn" films (Hostel, Saw, etc.) but
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am guessing they would be pretty easy to hate, too
The most inventive thing about "Saw" was the variety of death-traps the
killer devised to torture his victims. Generally, I found it to be very
unpleasant, and completely pointless.
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Something that can be said of virtually all Horror films now. I don't
get what happened to that genre. It's become totally rote and
insensate; like watching someone walk into a supermarket with a deer
rifle, shoot all the canned goods off the shelves, and then just walk
out.
REPLY:
Now THAT would be an interesting movie. The best part of Mr. Majestyk was
when the watermelons got machined gunned. |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <1MWdnWwsxZIfG-LVnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@posted.isomediainc>, Frank R.A.J. Maloney <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:
: I'm guilty of misusing "hopefully", too.
However, while dangling, hopefully you won't use any participles.
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <7159236c-a4a4-4424-9192-902521740ad0@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, The Mighty Favog <billanderson@my-deja.com> wrote:
: When Richard does it, it's a typo. When I do it -- admittedly much
: more often -- it's a brain fart.
The difference is that I have demonstrated sufficient facility with the
language that it's fairly reasonable to assume that, for example, I know
the difference between "affect" and "effect" (especially since I gave you
a dictionary entry for the nominal form of the former).
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"_Cro_, the Children's Television Workshop's attempt at a commercially
appealing science cartoon show, will be cancelled in September by
ABC TV. . . . In _Cro_'s time slot will go _Dumb and Dumber_, a cartoon
about two moronic louts, derived from the movie of the same name."
-- _Science_, 3 March 1995 |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <52b47ce4-68d9-4bdd-b11f-1e0efbb723a1@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Okierazorbacker <okierazorbacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
: On Jul 17, 11:45?am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: I have no desire to go to Paris, or most places in Europe.
Then by what right do you call the Parisians hateful and snobbish?
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" |
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calvin
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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On Jul 17, 12:51 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
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After praising your command of the language in a previous post, I regret
that I have to remind you of what Strunk & White have to say about the
proper use of the word "however": it can only begin a sentence when it's
being used in the sense of "In whatever manner."
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Looking at my copy, I see that they make no mention of
misuse of the word 'pretty', and that's pretty careless of them. |
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Richard Schultz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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In article <a3dd7505-3563-428c-a2d9-5f37e210be9b@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, calvin <crice5@windstream.net> wrote:
: On Jul 17, 12:51?pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> After praising your command of the language in a previous post, I regret
:> that I have to remind you of what Strunk & White have to say about the
:> proper use of the word "however": ?it can only begin a sentence when it's
:> being used in the sense of "In whatever manner."
: Looking at my copy, I see that they make no mention of
: misuse of the word 'pretty', and that's pretty careless of them.
In my copy (3d edition), p. 73 (in the chapter "An Approach To Style"):
8. Avoid the use of qualifiers.
_Rather_, _very_, _little_, _pretty_ -- these are the
leeches that infest the pond of prose, sucking the blood
out of words. The constant use of the word _little_
(except to indicate size) is particularly debilitating;
we should all try to do a little better, we should all
be very watchful of this rule, for it is a rather important
one and we are pretty sure to violate it now and then.
I recommend that you return your copy and exchagne it for one that doesn't
have any pages missing.
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Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." |
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calvin
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: a genre that you hate |
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On Jul 17, 2:55 pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
| Quote: | calvin <cri...@windstream.net> wrote:
: On Jul 17, 12:51?pm, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote:
:> After praising your command of the language in a previous post, I regret
:> that I have to remind you of what Strunk & White have to say about the
:> proper use of the word "however": ?it can only begin a sentence when it's
:> being used in the sense of "In whatever manner."
: Looking at my copy, I see that they make no mention of
: misuse of the word 'pretty', and that's pretty careless of them.
In my copy (3d edition), p. 73 (in the chapter "An Approach To Style"):
8. Avoid the use of qualifiers.
_Rather_, _very_, _little_, _pretty_ -- these are the
leeches that infest the pond of prose, sucking the blood
out of words. The constant use of the word _little_
(except to indicate size) is particularly debilitating;
we should all try to do a little better, we should all
be very watchful of this rule, for it is a rather important
one and we are pretty sure to violate it now and then.
I recommend that you return your copy and exchagne it for one that doesn't
have any pages missing.
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I won't have to 'exchagne' it, because it does indeed contain the
section that you quoted. My rash conclusion was the result of
not finding the word in either the index or the list of 'misused
words and expressions'. |
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