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No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
Actors....a mirror is all you need.
Producer...who isn't one?
Director...
Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
assistant production...
stunts
editing
sound effects
composer...
Do you have any idea how long the list is?
Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
an education, experience or talent?
I've heard you cannot get a job collecting garbage in New York City
without a college degree, is that true?
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Scott Dorsey
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
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I believe that you are confusing real job openings with fake job openings.
Rememember, if it doesn't pay actual money, or it requires working on
spec (which is basically the same thing as not being paid), it's not a
real job.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Mason Barge
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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What a stupid post.
Most jobs don't require an education unless there is a licensure requirement
to protect the public, and in many of those, if you can pass the test you
can get the license. All that matters is whether or not you can do a good
job.
Jobs that do not have any educational requirement:
President of the US
Senator, Congressman, Cabinet member
Judge (some states may require a law degree, I don't know)
Mother/father
Vehicle driver
Soldier/sailor (during some periods, to be an officer requires a college
degree, during others it does not); however, after acceptance they do
provide required training.
CEO of a corporation
Board member
Union leader
Business owner
Hell, I bet 90% of the jobs in this country don't require a degree,
including many of the most important and skilled ones, although in many of
them a degree can replace experience. |
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Mason Barge
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[snip idiocy]
I believe that you are confusing real job openings with fake job openings.
Rememember, if it doesn't pay actual money, or it requires working on
spec (which is basically the same thing as not being paid), it's not a
real job.
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That's begging the question. People who "work on spec" make tons of money.
The richest people in history worked on spec. Think: Picasso, Edison, Tom
Clancey, Henry Ford, J. Paul Getty. IMO commissioned salesmen,
entrepreneurs, and self-employed people of all stripes to have "real jobs".
Not getting paid is a risk taken to gain the possibility of a higher reward,
not a certainty. |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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Mason Barge wrote:
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What a stupid post.
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I try me best, merci beaucoup.
Stupidity isn't painful.
The Starmaker
It's going to get, stupider..
Stupid Quotes
"If you're killed, you've lost a very important part of your life."
-Brooke Shields
"Please provide the date of your death."
-from an IRS letter
"I was under medication when I made the decision to burn the tapes."
-Richard (Dicky) Nixon
We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
-Lee Iacocca
"Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly."
-Batman costume warning label
"A verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on."
-Samuel Goldwyn
"The people in the Navy look on motherhood as being compatible with
being a woman."
-Rear Admiral James R. Hogg
The private enterprise system indicates that some people have higher
incomes than others."
-Gerry Brown
"I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree
with them."
-George Bush
"I was provided with addtional input that was radically different from
the truth. I assisted in furthering that version."
-Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra testimony
"We are sorry to announce that Mr. Albert Brown has been quite unwell,
owing to his recent death, and is taking a short holiday to recover."
-Parish Magazine
"We are not without accomplishment. We have managed to distribute
poverty equally."
-Nguyen Co Thatch, Vietnamese foreign minister
"The word 'genius' isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like
Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theisman, quarterback and sports analyst
"Fiction writing is great, you can make up almost anything."
-Ivana Trump, on finishing her first novel
"I've read about foreign policy and studied, I now know the number of
continents."
-George Wallace, 1968 presidential campaign
"We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of
people."
-Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC instructor
Eight more days and I can start telling the truth again.
-- Sen. Chris Dodd (D, Conn.), on the Don Imus show, on campaigning
If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very low crime
rate.
-- Marion Barry, mayor of Washington, D.C.
Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, "Thank God, I'm
still alive." But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be
the same again.
-- Sen. Barbara Boxer, (D, Calif.)
"It isn't pollution that is hurting the environment,
it's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
-Dan Quayle |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
<Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
Actors....a mirror is all you need.
Producer...who isn't one?
Director...
Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
assistant production...
stunts
editing
sound effects
composer...
Do you have any idea how long the list is?
Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
an education, experience or talent?
Actors and screenwriters are independent contractors and they go as
far as their talent and their wits will allow them to go. And some of
the actors have formally studied acting. BTW, how many colleges offer
screenwriting degrees?
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Independent contractors? Doesn't sound like a true, accurate or
correct answer.
Definition of a Independent contractor:
A person hired to do a particular job, subject to the direction of
a supervisor. An independent contractor pays for his or her own
expenses and taxes, and receives no employee benefits.
I don't think, actors, producers, directors, etc.. who are hired by
studios, pay for theirr *own* expenses.
Close, but no ciger. Would you care to try again? |
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King of the R.O.U.S.'s
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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Mason Barge wrote:
| Quote: | What a stupid post.
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What else would you expect from that idiot?
| Quote: | Most jobs don't require an education unless there is a licensure requirement
to protect the public, and in many of those, if you can pass the test you
can get the license. All that matters is whether or not you can do a good
job.
Jobs that do not have any educational requirement:
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You missed the most obvious one:
NewsGroup Troll
Now, I admit that technically that isn't a paying job, but lots of
people do seem eager to make a lifelong profession out of it.
~Inigo |
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Mason Barge
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:48778EE1.166@ix.netcom.com...
| Quote: | Mason Barge wrote:
What a stupid post.
I try me best, merci beaucoup.
Stupidity isn't painful.
The Starmaker
It's going to get, stupider..
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Okay, as much as I hate a lot of your silly Jew-bashing, etc., you get
points for a good reply to a flame.
| Quote: | Stupid Quotes
"If you're killed, you've lost a very important part of your life."
-Brooke Shields
"Please provide the date of your death."
-from an IRS letter
"I was under medication when I made the decision to burn the tapes."
-Richard (Dicky) Nixon
We've got to pause and ask ourselves: How much clean air do we need?"
-Lee Iacocca
"Caution: Cape does not enable user to fly."
-Batman costume warning label
"A verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on."
-Samuel Goldwyn
"The people in the Navy look on motherhood as being compatible with
being a woman."
-Rear Admiral James R. Hogg
The private enterprise system indicates that some people have higher
incomes than others."
-Gerry Brown
"I have opinions of my own --strong opinions-- but I don't always agree
with them."
-George Bush
"I was provided with addtional input that was radically different from
the truth. I assisted in furthering that version."
-Colonel Oliver North, from his Iran-Contra testimony
"We are sorry to announce that Mr. Albert Brown has been quite unwell,
owing to his recent death, and is taking a short holiday to recover."
-Parish Magazine
"We are not without accomplishment. We have managed to distribute
poverty equally."
-Nguyen Co Thatch, Vietnamese foreign minister
"The word 'genius' isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like
Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theisman, quarterback and sports analyst
"Fiction writing is great, you can make up almost anything."
-Ivana Trump, on finishing her first novel
"I've read about foreign policy and studied, I now know the number of
continents."
-George Wallace, 1968 presidential campaign
"We don't necessarily discriminate. We simply exclude certain types of
people."
-Colonel Gerald Wellman, ROTC instructor
Eight more days and I can start telling the truth again.
-- Sen. Chris Dodd (D, Conn.), on the Don Imus show, on campaigning
If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very low crime
rate.
-- Marion Barry, mayor of Washington, D.C.
Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, "Thank God, I'm
still alive." But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be
the same again.
-- Sen. Barbara Boxer, (D, Calif.)
"It isn't pollution that is hurting the environment,
it's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
-Dan Quayle |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:20:47 +0100, "King of the R.O.U.S.'s"
<NG-Stuff@_NOSPAMPLEASE_dotzyne.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Mason Barge wrote:
What a stupid post.
What else would you expect from that idiot?
Most jobs don't require an education unless there is a licensure requirement
to protect the public, and in many of those, if you can pass the test you
can get the license. All that matters is whether or not you can do a good
job.
Jobs that do not have any educational requirement:
You missed the most obvious one:
NewsGroup Troll
Now, I admit that technically that isn't a paying job, but lots of
people do seem eager to make a lifelong profession out of it.
~Inigo
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In the radio business they call them "Radio Talk Show Host". They make
money by coming up with topics that get callers to call in. Then they
call the callers "idiots" for responding to their radio show.
Maybe I should get into the radio business...what topics should I come
up with?
Maybe I can start with, 99 percent of the (WGA) Writers Guild of
America (America???) members are Jewish. That explains why you hardly
will see colleges offering Screen Writers college degrees, because
otherwise the 99 percent WGA members would be out-of-work.
If they made it a "requirement" that screenwriters must have a college
degree in screen writing, Hollywood would certainty not let that
happen. They would be forced by law to hire mostly non-Jews and that
would go against everything they believe in.
Of course, if you make it a requirement that screenwriters must have a
college degree, you will have better TV shows and Films...but what are
the Jewish people going to do for "a living"?
How about Casting Director School? Shouldn't the requirement be
something more than just having "file clerk" skills?
"Blond hair girls go into the Blond Hair folder."
The Starmaker
The real reason they don't offer screenplay college degrees is because
they know Hollywood will never hire them, ...unless of course they're
[whisper] Jewish. |
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Mason Barge
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
Actors....a mirror is all you need.
Producer...who isn't one?
Director...
Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
assistant production...
stunts
editing
sound effects
composer...
Do you have any idea how long the list is?
Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
an education, experience or talent?
Actors and screenwriters are independent contractors and they go as
far as their talent and their wits will allow them to go. And some of
the actors have formally studied acting. BTW, how many colleges offer
screenwriting degrees?
Independent contractors? Doesn't sound like a true, accurate or
correct answer.
Definition of a Independent contractor:
A person hired to do a particular job, subject to the direction of
a supervisor. An independent contractor pays for his or her own
expenses and taxes, and receives no employee benefits.
I don't think, actors, producers, directors, etc.. who are hired by
studios, pay for theirr *own* expenses.
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I didn't say anything about producers. They are a completely different
animal. Some of them are theoretically more along the line of entrepreneurs
(although they may be titular employees of the company they own).
| Quote: | Close, but no ciger. Would you care to try again?
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Pfft. You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of FICA
withholding and pretending you have a valid point. This isn't about SSI
law. So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they pay
their own SS taxes).
Almost no movie actors or scriptwriters are permanent employees of studios.
This is different from the old days, when studios would hire actors and then
assign films to them. They get hired for a specific movie, or part of a
specific movie, sign a contract. |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:04 -0400, "Mason Barge"
<masonbarge@comcast.net> wrote:
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"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:vcef74196ata72q2el8ggcp6uurj82vun6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
Actors....a mirror is all you need.
Producer...who isn't one?
Director...
Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
assistant production...
stunts
editing
sound effects
composer...
Do you have any idea how long the list is?
Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
an education, experience or talent?
Actors and screenwriters are independent contractors and they go as
far as their talent and their wits will allow them to go. And some of
the actors have formally studied acting. BTW, how many colleges offer
screenwriting degrees?
Independent contractors? Doesn't sound like a true, accurate or
correct answer.
Definition of a Independent contractor:
A person hired to do a particular job, subject to the direction of
a supervisor. An independent contractor pays for his or her own
expenses and taxes, and receives no employee benefits.
I don't think, actors, producers, directors, etc.. who are hired by
studios, pay for theirr *own* expenses.
I didn't say anything about producers. They are a completely different
animal. Some of them are theoretically more along the line of entrepreneurs
(although they may be titular employees of the company they own).
Close, but no ciger. Would you care to try again?
Pfft. You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of FICA
withholding and pretending you have a valid point. This isn't about SSI
law. So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they pay
their own SS taxes).
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An "independent agent" is an *insurance* term. It's an insurance
agent who represents multiple insurance companies, not just a single
one.
The truth is, there is no term to describe the people Hollywood hires.
It's that way for a purpose..to keep others out.
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Almost no movie actors or scriptwriters are permanent employees of studios.
This is different from the old days, when studios would hire actors and then
assign films to them. They get hired for a specific movie, or part of a
specific movie, sign a contract.
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Why don't you just call them "independent unlicensed contractors". |
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Hatunen
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:14:44 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:04 -0400, "Mason Barge"
masonbarge@comcast.net> wrote:
Pfft. You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of FICA
withholding and pretending you have a valid point. This isn't about SSI
law. So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they pay
their own SS taxes).
An "independent agent" is an *insurance* term. It's an insurance
agent who represents multiple insurance companies, not just a single
one.
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More accurately, it's an insurance agent who is not contracted to
represent only a single company and *could* represent others if
he/whe wished.
I think there's a confusion here with the concept of baseball's
"free agent", who isn't an agent at all in legal terms, and
"agent", legally someone who represents and acts for another
entity.
| Quote: | The truth is, there is no term to describe the people Hollywood hires.
It's that way for a purpose..to keep others out.
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Having once been an independent contractor as an engineer, I can
tell you that the distinguishing characteristic is that your
"employer" does not, and is not required to, have you fill out a
W-4 and does not take withoholding out of his payments to you.
Not nly that, but your commuting expenses can be deducted on your
tax return. Needless to say, lots of engineers would scheme to
attain this status but the IRS gets pretty testy about it, and
has a number of criteria that must be met, including that there
not be direct supervision by your "employer".
| Quote: | Almost no movie actors or scriptwriters are permanent employees of studios.
This is different from the old days, when studios would hire actors and then
assign films to them. They get hired for a specific movie, or part of a
specific movie, sign a contract.
Why don't you just call them "independent unlicensed contractors".
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What licensing? State licensing requirements only pertain to a
few occupations.
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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * |
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Mason Barge
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"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:04 -0400, "Mason Barge"
masonbarge@comcast.net> wrote:
"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:vcef74196ata72q2el8ggcp6uurj82vun6@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
Actors....a mirror is all you need.
Producer...who isn't one?
Director...
Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
assistant production...
stunts
editing
sound effects
composer...
Do you have any idea how long the list is?
Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
an education, experience or talent?
Actors and screenwriters are independent contractors and they go as
far as their talent and their wits will allow them to go. And some of
the actors have formally studied acting. BTW, how many colleges offer
screenwriting degrees?
Independent contractors? Doesn't sound like a true, accurate or
correct answer.
Definition of a Independent contractor:
A person hired to do a particular job, subject to the direction of
a supervisor. An independent contractor pays for his or her own
expenses and taxes, and receives no employee benefits.
I don't think, actors, producers, directors, etc.. who are hired by
studios, pay for theirr *own* expenses.
I didn't say anything about producers. They are a completely different
animal. Some of them are theoretically more along the line of
entrepreneurs
(although they may be titular employees of the company they own).
Close, but no ciger. Would you care to try again?
Pfft. You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of FICA
withholding and pretending you have a valid point. This isn't about SSI
law. So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they
pay
their own SS taxes).
An "independent agent" is an *insurance* term. It's an insurance
agent who represents multiple insurance companies, not just a single
one.
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What the hell are you talking about? It's a perfectly good English phrase.
You want to tell us that we can't call an actor's representative an "agent"
because the term refers to an FBI employee?
| Quote: | Why don't you just call them "independent unlicensed contractors".
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Now that is flat wrong. There's no license involved.
The point is, there's no ongoing employment relationship and no expectation
of one (in the movies). There's certainly no need for an educational
component. You gonna' tell me Julia Roberts or George Clooney can't open a
movie because they didn't graduate from college. Or for that matter, Demi
Moore, who didn't graduate from 9th grade?
Producer: "Demi would be perfect as the topless bimbo soldier".
Studio Exec: "Don't be ridiculous, the job description requires a BA in
Exdesia. Let's get some resumes and interview the ten best qualified." |
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:34:14 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:14:44 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:04 -0400, "Mason Barge"
masonbarge@comcast.net> wrote:
Pfft. You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of FICA
withholding and pretending you have a valid point. This isn't about SSI
law. So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they pay
their own SS taxes).
An "independent agent" is an *insurance* term. It's an insurance
agent who represents multiple insurance companies, not just a single
one.
More accurately, it's an insurance agent who is not contracted to
represent only a single company and *could* represent others if
he/whe wished.
I think there's a confusion here with the concept of baseball's
"free agent", who isn't an agent at all in legal terms, and
"agent", legally someone who represents and acts for another
entity.
The truth is, there is no term to describe the people Hollywood hires.
It's that way for a purpose..to keep others out.
Having once been an independent contractor as an engineer, I can
tell you that the distinguishing characteristic is that your
"employer" does not, and is not required to, have you fill out a
W-4 and does not take withoholding out of his payments to you.
Not nly that, but your commuting expenses can be deducted on your
tax return. Needless to say, lots of engineers would scheme to
attain this status but the IRS gets pretty testy about it, and
has a number of criteria that must be met, including that there
not be direct supervision by your "employer".
Almost no movie actors or scriptwriters are permanent employees of studios.
This is different from the old days, when studios would hire actors and then
assign films to them. They get hired for a specific movie, or part of a
specific movie, sign a contract.
Why don't you just call them "independent unlicensed contractors".
What licensing? State licensing requirements only pertain to a
few occupations.
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Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:02:08 -0400, "Mason Barge"
<masonbarge@comcast.net> wrote:
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"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:04 -0400, "Mason Barge"
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"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:40:37 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
Chrishelms132@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 4:30 pm, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
No Education, Experience or Talent Necessary.
Have you noticed? That....
in Hollywood
*most* job openings
in film and TV
doesn't require any education or experience.
Why Is That?
Screen writing ---no need for screen writing school.
Actors....a mirror is all you need.
Producer...who isn't one?
Director...
Casting Director....you just need to know the alphabet.
assistant casting director....abcd, what come after e?
assistant production...
stunts
editing
sound effects
composer...
Do you have any idea how long the list is?
Why Is It that Hollywood Factory jobs doesn't require
an education, experience or talent?
Actors and screenwriters are independent contractors and they go as
far as their talent and their wits will allow them to go. And some of
the actors have formally studied acting. BTW, how many colleges offer
screenwriting degrees?
Independent contractors? Doesn't sound like a true, accurate or
correct answer.
Definition of a Independent contractor:
A person hired to do a particular job, subject to the direction of
a supervisor. An independent contractor pays for his or her own
expenses and taxes, and receives no employee benefits.
I don't think, actors, producers, directors, etc.. who are hired by
studios, pay for theirr *own* expenses.
I didn't say anything about producers. They are a completely different
animal. Some of them are theoretically more along the line of
entrepreneurs
(although they may be titular employees of the company they own).
Close, but no ciger. Would you care to try again?
Pfft. You're citing some article about IRS treatment for purposes of FICA
withholding and pretending you have a valid point. This isn't about SSI
law. So that you don't get confused, let me replace "independent
contractor" with "independent agent" (even though some movie employees
actually do meet the IRS definition of independent contractor, i.e. they
pay
their own SS taxes).
An "independent agent" is an *insurance* term. It's an insurance
agent who represents multiple insurance companies, not just a single
one.
What the hell are you talking about? It's a perfectly good English phrase.
You want to tell us that we can't call an actor's representative an "agent"
because the term refers to an FBI employee?
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Hollywood agents are called "Talent Agents", not "agent". Wrong
English phrase.
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Why don't you just call them "independent unlicensed contractors".
Now that is flat wrong. There's no license involved.
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Exactly. That is the Subject of this thread. No education or
experience required. No degree required. No license required. No
nothing required.
Like for example. In Hollywood, you can be just 16 years old...still
going to high school and get a gig in one movie as an editor, sound
effects and composer. No license, experience or education or degree
required, nothin, nada.
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The point is, there's no ongoing employment relationship and no expectation
of one (in the movies). There's certainly no need for an educational
component.
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That is the Subject of this thread, *nothing* is required. Why is
that? That was my question at the first post. Why is NOTHING required?
| Quote: | You gonna' tell me Julia Roberts or George Clooney can't open a
movie because they didn't graduate from college. Or for that matter, Demi
Moore, who didn't graduate from 9th grade?
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No, I'm saying they *can* cause nothing is required. How did you
manage to reverse the meaning of this thread?
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Producer: "Demi would be perfect as the topless bimbo soldier".
Studio Exec: "Don't be ridiculous, the job description requires a BA in
Exdesia. Let's get some resumes and interview the ten best qualified." |
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