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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
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Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
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No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork. |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
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| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
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Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
Just gotta be able to handle, paper cuts...and guess?
I'm willing to bet the majority of Casting Directors today
come from Apple One Temp Agency.
I mean, where else could they possibly come from?
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David Johnston
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
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Houses are _physical objects_ that exist in the present. Whether you
successfully covered all the parts of the house that should be covered
is objectively verifiable. It is not objectively verifiable before
the fact how the public at large will react to a certain casting
choice a few years later. It isn't even possible to determine
objectively whether the casting was the problem, or the casting was
fine and the directing was bad or the script was bad.
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But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
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It's not something that be taught or tested. |
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polar
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
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You're just pissed off at all casting directors because
they won't give you an acting job. You don't need a
license to see if someone's a no-talent jerk. |
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Joe Kotroczo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On 16/07/08 21:38, in article gdjs74p9qi68386kv6kcngej161bc9s368@4ax.com,
"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
Just gotta be able to handle, paper cuts...and guess?
I'm willing to bet the majority of Casting Directors today
come from Apple One Temp Agency.
I mean, where else could they possibly come from?
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You're wrong about the "no experience" bit.
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:58:59 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
Houses are _physical objects_ that exist in the present. Whether you
successfully covered all the parts of the house that should be covered
is objectively verifiable. It is not objectively verifiable before
the fact how the public at large will react to a certain casting
choice a few years later. It isn't even possible to determine
objectively whether the casting was the problem, or the casting was
fine and the directing was bad or the script was bad.
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Film is art. Each frame is instant art. Each frame is a blank canvas
until the camera captures all the art put into it. The director paints
on film. All the art is composed of background features and clothing,
etc...put there by all those involved in the creative process. Casting
Directors don't belong in the creative process if all they know is
"file clerk". And script writers should not be writing if they are
going to add garbage to the frames, and the director and all the
others without and education or experiences should not be painting
garbage in the film frames. They sell mostly garbage because they have
no experience or education.
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But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
It's not something that be taught or tested.
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Try teaching or testing a file clerk girl!
This just out!
Screenwriting for Dummies
http://www.amazon.com/Screenwriting-Dummies-Laura-Schellhardt/dp/0764554867
The reason why there are no Casting Directors schools is
because...Hollywood doesn't like to hire people with education or
experience. They don't even ask for a resume!
I don't even think they have job applications. |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:44:21 -0500, polar <polar@winternet.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
You're just pissed off at all casting directors because
they won't give you an acting job. You don't need a
license to see if someone's a no-talent jerk.
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I'm not an actor, polar bear. |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:06:44 +0200, Joe Kotroczo <kotroczo@mac.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | On 17/07/08 18:31, in article crsu74l9u7bsfi5c38b5itivmstamv59f9@4ax.com,
"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
(...)
But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
Just gotta be able to handle, paper cuts...and guess?
I'm willing to bet the majority of Casting Directors today
come from Apple One Temp Agency.
I mean, where else could they possibly come from?
You're wrong about the "no experience" bit.
Example?
Name 1 casting director of a 100 million dollar movie without prior
experience.
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Are you trying to say that a Casting Director of any movie whether 100
million or 500 million or ten dollas is hired based on their
"experience"? |
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David Johnston
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:54:03 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:58:59 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
Houses are _physical objects_ that exist in the present. Whether you
successfully covered all the parts of the house that should be covered
is objectively verifiable. It is not objectively verifiable before
the fact how the public at large will react to a certain casting
choice a few years later. It isn't even possible to determine
objectively whether the casting was the problem, or the casting was
fine and the directing was bad or the script was bad.
Film is art.
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And therefore subjective.
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But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
It's not something that be taught or tested.
Try teaching or testing a file clerk girl!
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I could do that easily. A file clerk is doing something objectively
verifiable. Either the files are in order, or they aren't. A casting
director is not a file clerk. A course in being one will not make you
a good one.
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This just out!
Screenwriting for Dummies
http://www.amazon.com/Screenwriting-Dummies-Laura-Schellhardt/dp/0764554867
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Which will not tell you how to write an artistically good script. All
it will do is tell you how to write in the script format. Uwe Boll's
scriptwriter knows how to write in the script format.
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The reason why there are no Casting Directors schools is
because...
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There's no real way to teach successful casting. |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:54:03 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:58:59 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:38:32 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
Houses are _physical objects_ that exist in the present. Whether you
successfully covered all the parts of the house that should be covered
is objectively verifiable. It is not objectively verifiable before
the fact how the public at large will react to a certain casting
choice a few years later. It isn't even possible to determine
objectively whether the casting was the problem, or the casting was
fine and the directing was bad or the script was bad.
Film is art. Each frame is instant art. Each frame is a blank canvas
until the camera captures all the art put into it. The director paints
on film. All the art is composed of background features and clothing,
etc...put there by all those involved in the creative process. Casting
Directors don't belong in the creative process if all they know is
"file clerk". And script writers should not be writing if they are
going to add garbage to the frames, and the director and all the
others without and education or experiences should not be painting
garbage in the film frames. They sell mostly garbage because they have
no experience or education.
But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
It's not something that be taught or tested.
Try teaching or testing a file clerk girl!
This just out!
Screenwriting for Dummies
http://www.amazon.com/Screenwriting-Dummies-Laura-Schellhardt/dp/0764554867
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How about "Casting Directing for Dummies"?
Nobody gots that book out. I can write it!
I can start write now!
"Casting Directors for Dummies"
Table of Contents:
Part1. The Casting Couch
Chapter 1: Do you want to see Angelina Jolie or Johnny Depp naked?
Chapter 2. 20 naked blond girls in one room!!!
Chapter 3. How to make an actor take off his/her clothes.
Chapter 4. How to have sex with actors and keep them silent.
Chapter 5. 100 naked girls in one room!!!!
Chapter 6. Ladies, now you can have any male actor naked.
Part 2. The Producers
Chapter 1. How to Extort money from Producers.
Excerpt:
When a producer calls you needing actors and stars for his movie,
that is the time to extort every penny you can get.
Tell the producer that without you they won't have a movie!
Then ask for $2,500.00 up front just to add stars, plus you require
"producers credit".
Just scream at them from the top of your lungs,
"Without me motherfucker YOU WOULDN'T HAVE a movie!!!!I'll
make sure every CSA member doesn't talk to you motherfucker.
I want my fuckin $2,500 upfront now motherfucker and "producers
credit". And throw in billboard credit while you're at it
motherfucker!"
Part3. How to tell the difference between Clark Kent and Superman.
Chapter 1:..........
From the Back Cover
"Valuable advice. . . . I've been extorting money from Producers for
years. Now I'm asking for Billboard credit!!!!"
—CSA Member of the Casting Society of America
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Joe Kotroczo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On 17/07/08 18:31, in article crsu74l9u7bsfi5c38b5itivmstamv59f9@4ax.com,
"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
(...)
| Quote: | But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
Just gotta be able to handle, paper cuts...and guess?
I'm willing to bet the majority of Casting Directors today
come from Apple One Temp Agency.
I mean, where else could they possibly come from?
You're wrong about the "no experience" bit.
Example?
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Name 1 casting director of a 100 million dollar movie without prior
experience.
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Joe Kotroczo kotroczo@mac.com |
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The Starmaker
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: No Education or Experience Necessary. |
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:06:48 +0200, Joe Kotroczo <kotroczo@mac.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | On 16/07/08 21:38, in article gdjs74p9qi68386kv6kcngej161bc9s368@4ax.com,
"The Starmaker" <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:22:13 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:04 -0700, The Starmaker
starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Exactly. No licensing. A Casting Director needs no licensing to cast
you, just knowledge of the letters of the alphabet. Don't you think a
casting director should have a little more something to cast you
besides knowing where to put photo in which folder in the file
cabinet?
No. There's no way to test and certify the ability to pick the right
actor for the right role. It's all guesswork.
Obviously, something is very wrong here...
if you want somebody to paint your
home they say you should make sure
they have a contractors license.
But if you want somebody to *cast* your
100 million dollar movie, no license, no
degree, no education, no experience required,
no casting director school, not even file clerk school!
Just gotta be able to handle, paper cuts...and guess?
I'm willing to bet the majority of Casting Directors today
come from Apple One Temp Agency.
I mean, where else could they possibly come from?
You're wrong about the "no experience" bit.
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